Debate about Christian false dogma with the Russian priest Emmanuel

[Habeebabdelmalek]

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe to Us.
To Him belong all (creatures) in the heavens and on earth: Even those who are in His (very) Presence are not too proud to serve Him, nor are they (ever) weary of His service

Dear Muslim brothers, Al Salaaamo
Aliukom Wa Rahmato Allah Wa Barakatoh

This is just a short debate in which i'm the slave of Allah smashed the dogma's fakes of a Russian christian orthodox priest called Emmanuel .. He gave up and escaped after very short time .. after smashing his false false faith, I invited him to embrace Islam

Now, I'll leave you to enjoy the debate and to know the foolishness of the false christian message

To be continued

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Habeeb Abd-Elmalek Said

Peace be upon who follows the righteous way

Mr. Emmanuel Muken I think you are a christian guy

In fact Mr. Muken I read the Bible many times to reach to the truth “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" John 8:32 (NIV)

I'm ready to follow the truth. I'll not be an arrogant. I'm sending you some points that in need to be understood. These are the points that I want you to explain it to me

Bible says Jesus has GOD

John said in the revelation book about Jesus “and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen”
Revelation 1:6 NIV

Paul said in book of Ephesians about Jesus “the God of our Lord Jesus” Ephesians 1:17 NKJV

Mathew says about Jesus in the Gospel of Mathew “Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 NIV

John mentions that Jesus in the gospel of John said “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”. John 20:17
NKJV

All Christian scholars are saying that this a prophecy from God about Jesus "Here is my servant, whom I uphold” Isaiah 42:1 (NIV)

Peter says in the book of acts about Jesus that he is a servant of God “When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you" Acts

John says in the book of revelation that Jesus said after his ascention “Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name” Revelation 3:12-14 (NIV)

Bible says "Jesus is a Prophet of GOD"

The Bible tells us that Jesus is a prophet like Moses “The LORD said to me: ... I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death" Deuteronomy 18:18-22 (NIV)

He is a prophet like Moses
He will not be killed, nor crucified like Moses
Moses didn’t call for trinity, so Jesus the prophet didn’t call for trinity
Moses was sent only to the children of Israel, so Jesus the prophet of God "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" Matthew 15:24 He is not the prophet coming to the Whole world

Isaia has the same characters as Jesus, read: "As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever," says the LORD. Isaiah 59:21 (NIV)

Mathew told us the following in his gospel “The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee" Matthew 21:11 (NIV)

Luke told us that 2 of Jesus disciples said the following in his gospel "About Jesus of Nazareth ," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people” Luke 24:20 (NIV)

The book of acts told us that God exalted Jesus and he was sent to Israel “that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel ” Acts 5:31 (NIV)

The gospel of John tells us that Jesus was sent by God “Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me” John 4:34 (NKJV)

Gospel of John tells us that Jesus was sent by God “Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me” John 7:16 (NKJV)

Gospel of John tells us that Jesus was sent by God “And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me” John 11:42 (NKJV)

Gospel of John tells us that we have to believe in God who send Jesus and in Jesus who had been sent by God “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” John 5:24 (NKJV)

The gospel of Mathew tells us that Jesus was a prophet “This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee ” Matthew 21:11 (NKJV)

Bible says "GOD is not a man but Jesus is a man"

- The Bible told us that God is not a man “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?” Numbers 23:19 (NIV)

Peter said in the book of acts “Ye men of Israel , hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth , a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him” Acts 2:22 (NKJV)

Gospel of John tells us that Jesus said that he is a man “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God” John 8:40 (NKJV)

Bible says "God doesn’t die while Jesus died"

- Paul said about GOD “who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see” 1 Timothy 6 (NIV)

GOD says in the Bible “I live forever” Deuteronomy 32:40 (NIV)

Paul said about Jesus “Christ died” 1 Corinthians 15:3 (NIV)

Paul said about Jesus again “Christ died” Romans 14:9 (NIV)

Bible says "Adam repented from his
sin" Eternal sin

- The Bible told us “But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die” Ezekiel 18:21 (NKJV)

The Bible says “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins" 2 Chronicles 25:4 (NIV)

The Bible says that GOD said to Adam “But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die" Genesis 2:17 (NIV)

Elijah told a sinner king that he will die because he didn’t repent and the king died in the same day “You will certainly die!" So he died, according to the word of the LORD that Elijah had spoken” 2 Kings 1:3-17 (NIV)

Adam didn’t die in the same day as stated, but he lived 950 years, why? Because he turned from his sin that he hath committed, so he should surely live, he should not die”

The Bible confirmed that “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?” Numbers 23:19 (NIV)

Adam repented and turned away from his sin, this is what the Bible confirms.

The Bible told us that GOD created the fruitful trees on the earth before the creation of the tree that Adam ate from and that is because Adam was created for the earth “And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” Genesis 2:9 (NIV)

The Bible says “And the LORD God said, " He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever. So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword *****ing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life” Genesis 3:22-24 (NIV)

David said in the Bible that GOD forgave sins without crucification “You forgave the iniquity of your people and covered all their sins” Psalm 85:2 (NIV)

The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation” Genesis 7:1 (NIV)

The Bible told us that GOD forgave sins before the birth of Jesus “and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now” Numbers 14:19 (NKJV)

Paul says “Christ died for our sins according to the scrip ures”

But Jesus says in the Gospel of Mathew "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'” Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV)

Bible says “Jesus was saved from crucification”

- The Bible says “The Righteous One takes note of the house of the wicked and brings the wicked to ruin” Proverbs 21:12 (NIV)

The Bible tells us “The righteous man is rescued from trouble, and it comes on the wicked instead” Proverbs 11:8 (NIV) .. Was this applied with Jesus the righteous man?

Jesus said to his disciples "But a time is coming, and has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me” John 16:32 (NIV), but Mathew says “Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 NIV .. God, the Father was with him or forsaken him? .. The Bible told us that God will not forsake his faithful ones and they will be protected “For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut of” Psalm 37:28 (NIV) Was Jesus a faithful one or wicked? Sure he was faithful so he must be protected

The Bible says that everyone must die for his sins “But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge” Jeremiah 31:30 (NKJV)

Again the Bible told us that everyone must die for his own sin “the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin” 2 Chronicles 25:4 (NKJV)

The Bible says “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him” Ezekiel 18:20 (NKJV)

The Bible says that God will save his Messiah “Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed; he answers him from his holy heaven with the saving power of his right hand” Psalm 20:6 NIV

The Bible says again that God will save his Messiah “The LORD is the strength of his people, a fortress of salvation for his anointed one” Psalm 28:8 (NIV)

The Bible says for the third time that God will save his Messiah “He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him” Psalm 22:8 (NKJV)

The Bible told us that the angel of the LORD will save his Messiah “The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them” Psalm 34:7 NKJV

The Gospel of Luke told us that the angel of the LORD appeared to Jesus “And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him” Luke 22:43 NKJV

The Bible told us that God will not forsake his faithful ones and they will be protected “For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut of” Psalm 37:28 (NIV) Was Jesus a faithful one or wicked? Sure he was faithful so he must be protected

Jesus was not the only begotten son
of GOD

The Bible says that Israel “Jacob” is the son of God and even his firstborn “Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn” Exodus 4:22 (NKJV)

The Bible says that David is the son of God and his firstborn “Also I will make him “David” my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth” Psalm 89:27 NKJV

The Bible says that Israel is the son of God and Ephraim is his firstborn “I am a father to Israel , and Ephraim is my firstborn” Jeremiah 31:9 NKJV

The Bible says that Solomon is the son of God “He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever” Chronicles 22:10 NKJV

The Bible says that Solomon is the son of God “And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father” 1 Chronicles 28:6 NKJV

Jesus said to children of Israel “you will be sons of the Most High (GOD)” Luke 6:35 (NIV)

Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

- The Gospel of Mathew tells us that Jesus confirmed that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel “He answered ”Jesus”, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" Matthew 15:24 (NIV)

The book of Romans tells us that Jesus confirmed that he was sent only to Israel “And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob” Romans 11:26 (NIV) I’m sure that wasn’t happen

Jesus said in the Bible "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel” Matthew 10:5-6 (NIV)

Trinity

Paul said that the Son and the holy-spirit are not part of Godhead “there is no God but one … yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live” 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIV

John said that Jesus has GOD “and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God” Revelation 1:6 (NIV)

Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, “I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” John 20:17 NIV

Mathew says “Jesus cried out in a loud voice,.. "My God, my God?" Matthew 27:46NIV

The book of acts says “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit” Acts 10:38 NIV

Do you think that the father who is in the heaven, and the son of man “Jesus” who was baptizing from John in the Jordan river and the dove which was over the head of the son are one or three separate personalities

Jesus said in the Bible “blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it” Luke 11:28 NKJV

Jesus said “He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." John 8:47 NIV

Thank you for your patiency

Mr. Muken I'm inviting you visit this website to disscuss some points with us

https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=60

Waiting for your reply

Best regards

Habeeb Abd ElMalek

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Emmanuel said

Mr Habeeb

Thank you for your remarquable quotation of bible verses and your comments(understanding) of them. I want really to answer to your questions or points. I hope that you really want to know the truth to be set free... By the time type these lines it is 1.30 a.m. in Moscow. I will tomorrow during the day answer your message point by point. I do respect your interest (if you are interested) and will like to give you a full and through explaination of the verses and conclusions you made on them. I am thinking of giving you more verses to be red by you and please undestand that I will do this with reseves as you may think(as many do) that the Bible has contradictions in Itself. There is no doubt that the one who is in the house can tell yu what he sees with occuracy, unless he instead wants to lie you. So thanks and expect my answer tomorrow

Best regards

P. Emmanuel Mukendi

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Habeeb Abd-Elmalek Said

Hey Emmaneul
How are you now

I'm waiting for you reply point by point .. as you promised to disscuss with each other

I hope you will not be an arrogant. You have to know that I'm great scholar in the bible

Please you have to use you supporting ********s from the Bible

Please use your brain, understanding and your wisdom:
Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding
Proverbs 3:13 NIV

By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in placeProverbs 3:19 New International Version

Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you
Proverbs 2:11 NIV

Don't ignore the previous sayings as Paul ordered you saying

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate
1Corinthians 1:19 NIV

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent
1Corinthians 1:19 NKJV


Waiting for your reply .. O.K. point by point as you said

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Emmanuel Said

Hey Habeeb

Wednesday is my busy day and could not sit to respond as I promised. forgive me for that please. I hope to get sometimes tomorrow to write my answer back. please bear with me in this ... I will get to you with an answer
P. Emmanuel

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Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Waiting for your reply, Point by point, take your time .. Get wisdom get understanding

The bible says .. "Get wisdom get understanding" Proverbs 4:5 NIV

and says .. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding" Proverbs 9:10 NIV

Paul says .. "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent" 1 Corinthians 1:19 NKJV

[احمد العربى]

Many thanks to you my dear brother, Dr. Habeeb for this more than wonderful and important work ,for that, The topic has been fixed now.
With all my cordially greetings,
Your brother in the Islam/Ahmed Alarabi.

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Emmanuel Said

Hello Here I am this morning with the first part of my answer.

Jesus has God

It is really clear that you can not make a doctrine or understand it on one verse. You can read a book with a mind of openness or sckeptically try to undermind it. This is true. But as you say that DO NOT BE ARROGANT(what I really do not understand, what you mean by arrogant?) I am fine with that.

First the mission of Jesus Christ to mankind consist of redemption and salvation of men. He is in this as you read the gospels presented as: SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN, SERVANT AND GOD. John 1: 1-14. John 5:25-27. John 8:25 and 58. (chek this with Genesis 3:14-15) Even more is this John 14:1-10 Colossians 2:14-17. 1st John 5:20.

Jesus is a Prophet of God

To be followed... I have to go now...

Best Regards

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

a- It is will known from the Bible that the WORD of God is not God, read
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth
" Isaia 55:11 NKJV

"Hear the word which the LORD speaks to you" Jeremiah 10:1 New King James Version


b- If John 1:1 "the Word was God" and John 1:14 "The Word became flesh" are true
Then we can say The Word = God and The word = is Flesh then God = Flesh

c- John himself says in his gospel by the tongue of Jesus "God is Spirit" .. He didn't say God is flesh

d- The flesh died on the cross "Christ died" Romans 5:8 (KJV)

e- GOD has everlasting life "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see" 1 Timothy 6:16 KJV
"He alone has everlasting life" 1 Timothy 6:16 Worldwide English New Testament

f- The proof that John didn't say that Jesus is God his saying in John 20:31
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" .. he didn't say jesus is GodPaul confirmed that we have only one God THE FATHER not the son
for us we have only on God THE FATHER"

g- The translation of John 1: 1 is not correct and we will see by the provesfrom the Greek versions

This is John 1:1 from the Greek version Westcott-hort new testament
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

A- The Word = ο λογος
means inspiration of God and it is mentioned in John 10:35
If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scri ure cannot be broken) John 10:35 (NKJV)

ει εκεινους ειπεν θεους προς ους ο λογος του θεον εγενετο και ου δυναται λυθηναι η γραφη

B- You can see here also the word
θεους = plural of θεος = gods
It was given to the childern of Israel by Jesus so you can consider them as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
C- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the belly - abdomen by Paul in Philippians 3:19.. so you can consider the belly - abdomen as God because it is given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1

θεος = god
"whose god is their belly" Philippians 3:19
ων το τελος απωλεια ων ο θεος η κοιλια και η δοξα εν τη αισχυνη αυτων οι τα επιγεια φρονουντες
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:19&version=68

D- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the Golden calf by the writer of the book of Acts .. so you can consider the calf as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
"Make us gods to go before us" Acts 7:40

"τουτον ο θεος ηγειρεν τη τριτη ημερα και εδωκεν αυτον εμφανη γενεσθαι" ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 7:40 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament
So

Jesus is θεος
The Calf is θεος

So Jesus = Calf

and If Jesus is God so Calf is God

To be Continued

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Habeeb Abd-Elmalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Let us know who is Jesus from the Bible

a- Jesus said he is the prophet like Moses "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me" John 5:46 NIV

b- The true Prphet like Moses will not be killed "The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death"

c- God said I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare The LORD declares" Jeremiah 23:31 NIV If Jesus was killed so he must be a false prophet.

d- Jesus said he has the right to be the follower king of David because he is David's descendant and this was not true

Was Joseph the true father of Jesus
A- If no, then Jesus has no right to take David's chair and he was a false prophet, so he was killed for that
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B- If yes, Joseph is the true father of Jesus, so Jesus is bastard the bible says "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD" Deuteronomy 23 KJV
, So Jesus was a false prophet and he died for that

e- The family tree of Jesus in Mathew is completely different from that in Luke? Why? Sure it is Faked family tree

f- Joseph in Mathew is the son of Jacob "Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph" .. of While he is the son of Heli in Luke "Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat"

To be continued