Thank you for your gracious apology. I can see it must be difficult for you to accept the beliefs of others when they seem to you so different from your own Islam. Yet funny, I do not see that much that is different in the important point, that of God being ONE. True God is not begotten and God does not beget in the way muslims imply. Christians have never believed Jesus was "begotten" as in human terms, in fact the idea is abhorrent and blasphemous to us and muslims fail to see how deep the hurt goes when you say we believe Jesus was Gods son. Because your belief of what the term means and ours are very different... And know matter how many times a Christian will say you are mistaken in this idea.. Muslims still refuse to understand.
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In the name of Allah (God ), Most Gracious, Most Mercifu
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1. Say: He is Allah, the one and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him. (112/1-4)
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2- Allah (praise be to him) is the only God of Adam, Noah, Abraham Jacob, Isaac, Ismail, Mosa, Isa (Jesus) and Mohammad (peace be upon them all).We believe in all prophets and messengers. The Almighty God (praise be to him) sent all these prophets and messengers to guide people to the straight way (which is the only one that guide people to Paradise).To know and worship the only true God of that world.Jesus himself (peace be upon him ) invited you to worship the only true God saying " And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" and this was the same message of all prophets and messengers before Jesus and after him..
You say you believe in all the prophets, but really you only believe the ones mentioned in the Quran, which is to be expected. However there are many other prophets who brought revelations. These are not known, and I don't know why the Quran has no great depth to the Biblical prophets it does recognise., because of that lack of depth the greater understanding is lost. If I am honest and did not know the prophets from the Bible and just knew of them from the Quran alone, then I would not recognise what they brought. Jesus in the Quran is like a shadow, there is nothing of his teachings, yet muslims claim to know Jesus better than His actual followers do! I find this remarkable because truly if someone did not tell me that Jesus and Isa were one and the same I would not see any resemblance at all.
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3.Christians have deviated from the path of the messengers and prophets and exaggerated in their love to Jesus after Allah (God) has raised him to heaven to save him from Jews. They said he is a son of God and made him God (Heaven forbid ) in trinity and the idea that Allah the great creator of that world (that his heavens and his earth can not expand him) incarnated in the womb of Mary and Mary became the mother of God and he is her God. Also the idea that Jesus came to die on the cross for forgiving the sins of people.And the amazing thing is that all these ideas are not found in the Bible.All these ideas are insult and affront to God . They are the true blasphemy
Here you are talking from your own point of view, imposing your truth upon the beliefs of others and because they are not the same view as your own then obviously they are wrong. This is natural, and of course I see evidence from my scriptures which I believe are God given and the teachings of Jesus and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, tell me, that I am right. I see where you misinterpret the Bible and believe it implies something it does not and you take this for evidence of your truth... But your misunderstanding of something does not prove it wrong. There are many things in Islam that I do not understand, yet I will not say you are wrong.. Because it is not my place to be so arrogant as to tell you what you should believe which maybe different to what Allah has given you to believe. I accept God places us all where He wants us to be, I have faith in His power over evil to ensure that if it feels right then it is right... For each and everyone of us who holds God in the highest esteem.
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4- Jesus (peace be upon him) never said that . He is innocent of all that nonsence .He warned you from that saying :-
"MAT-15-9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" and Muhammad (peace be upon him) said :- " Do not praise me as Christians praise the son of Mary but say (Muhammad is the slave of Allah and his messenger) . He begged to Allah saying ( Oh my God. do not make my grave an idol worshiped)
Here is an example of misunderstanding Bible scripture... You use the words here in Matthew..
"MAT-15-9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
You look at the words and see they suit your purpose but totally ignore the context and as a consequence miss the meaning I urge you to read a more of the verse below and you will see that the words you use Jesus was not applying to Himself, He was quoting Isaiah... These words were from God when he told Prophet Isaiah that the people only worshipped Him with their lips but not with their hearts.. And so they were so far from God because they had put a greater emphasis or their teachings and human rules.
15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
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5- The Almighty God (pbth) told us to invite people to worship the Only true God saying in the Holy Quran :-
'' Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. ( 16/ 125 )
-- In another verses He (praise be to him) said :-
46. And dispute ye not with the people of the Book ( Jews and Christians), except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe In the Revelation which has come down to us and In that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."
6- So ,we discuss these matters with you to reach the straight way.We believe in all messengers and prophets of Allah and we make no distinction between them all (peace be upon them all ) . I hope that our God help us all and guide me and you to the straight way . Ameen.Ameen.
"We make no distinction (They say) between one and another of His apostles."
Is Christianity the religion of peace and love or the religion of revenge and terror?
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Originally Posted by عثمان أحمد الشيخ
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